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		<title>By: Kilgon</title>
		<link>http://swordboard.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/whats-the-difference-between-a-good-tank-and-an-exceptional-one/#comment-1208</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kilgon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, i do like to tank stuff, but normally i don&#039;t consider myself an exceptional tank. I just do my best, whether the run goes well and wrong.

But i do say, being able to solo the boss&#039; last 10% when all the rest of the group lost hope (and sometimes dead too) is revigorating to me ^-^]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, i do like to tank stuff, but normally i don&#8217;t consider myself an exceptional tank. I just do my best, whether the run goes well and wrong.</p>
<p>But i do say, being able to solo the boss&#8217; last 10% when all the rest of the group lost hope (and sometimes dead too) is revigorating to me ^-^</p>
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		<title>By: Dualipuff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dualipuff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to try and find the tanking passion I used to have.  I started finding PUGs demoralizing toward the end of Lich King and all throughout Cataclysm.

I still remember having difficult 5 man groups in Vanilla, such as the pulls immediately after The Beast in UBRS.  Until the players could significantly outgeared it, most groups would just wipe on that corner door pull to take it out in two tries.  I prided myself on toughing my group through that pull without a wipe (and boy did the target markers make that easier).  Players would listen when the tank spoke up, and often that tank wasn&#039;t putting people down in the process (those negative attitudes go both ways).

For the last couple of expansions now, it feels like PUGs are simply not as malleable as they once were.  Everyone thinks they know how best to do the instances and they know exactly what&#039;s gone wrong.

Discouraging is putting it lightly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to try and find the tanking passion I used to have.  I started finding PUGs demoralizing toward the end of Lich King and all throughout Cataclysm.</p>
<p>I still remember having difficult 5 man groups in Vanilla, such as the pulls immediately after The Beast in UBRS.  Until the players could significantly outgeared it, most groups would just wipe on that corner door pull to take it out in two tries.  I prided myself on toughing my group through that pull without a wipe (and boy did the target markers make that easier).  Players would listen when the tank spoke up, and often that tank wasn&#8217;t putting people down in the process (those negative attitudes go both ways).</p>
<p>For the last couple of expansions now, it feels like PUGs are simply not as malleable as they once were.  Everyone thinks they know how best to do the instances and they know exactly what&#8217;s gone wrong.</p>
<p>Discouraging is putting it lightly.</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Quest: Raiding guilds &#124; gQuit&#039;s WoWPress</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Daily Quest: Raiding guilds &#124; gQuit&#039;s WoWPress]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 22:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Noodlestein</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noodlestein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I loved tanking with pugs :x]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved tanking with pugs <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif' alt=':x' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vosskah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vosskah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh yes, the wonderful last straggler ass pull, the death of many pug groups!

Here, you&#039;ll see my project management background come out as for me, this little gesture is about mitigating the risks.  Worst is, that tank is probably getting yelled at by some group for not go go going.

When tanking, just like you noticed that little gesture, I will usually push the first two three pulls in an instance harder as I&#039;m learning how fast my healer is, does he keep up, will he use cooldowns or do I rely on my own, etc.  I also asses the dps, who will be the one working to pull from me, who will be carried, will the mage go invisible, will the warrior pop all of his cooldowns before I even hit the pack, etc. Then it&#039;s using my experience to see how fast I can this group without breaking it.

If you&#039;re interested in this idea of snap judgement, by the way, I suggest the book called Blink, by Malcolm Gladwell.  

I love those little details like the tank waiting to ensure the party went through.  It&#039;s really the mark of someone who knows what he&#039;s doing and cares about the success of this group.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, the wonderful last straggler ass pull, the death of many pug groups!</p>
<p>Here, you&#8217;ll see my project management background come out as for me, this little gesture is about mitigating the risks.  Worst is, that tank is probably getting yelled at by some group for not go go going.</p>
<p>When tanking, just like you noticed that little gesture, I will usually push the first two three pulls in an instance harder as I&#8217;m learning how fast my healer is, does he keep up, will he use cooldowns or do I rely on my own, etc.  I also asses the dps, who will be the one working to pull from me, who will be carried, will the mage go invisible, will the warrior pop all of his cooldowns before I even hit the pack, etc. Then it&#8217;s using my experience to see how fast I can this group without breaking it.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested in this idea of snap judgement, by the way, I suggest the book called Blink, by Malcolm Gladwell.  </p>
<p>I love those little details like the tank waiting to ensure the party went through.  It&#8217;s really the mark of someone who knows what he&#8217;s doing and cares about the success of this group.</p>
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		<title>By: Vosskah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vosskah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So basically, you have decided to strive to be exceptional, just not in tanking.  That&#039;s perfectly fine, it&#039;s a personal choice.  
In the case of the healer, it&#039;s using salve or the crown of shame on overzealous dps, it&#039;s using that cluth cooldown in time, using lifegrip to bring someone back from harm.
Exceptional players are of every flavour. I also have the chance to run with excellent dps and healers.  It&#039;s really in the care for the small details that one shows his mastery over his class.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically, you have decided to strive to be exceptional, just not in tanking.  That&#8217;s perfectly fine, it&#8217;s a personal choice.<br />
In the case of the healer, it&#8217;s using salve or the crown of shame on overzealous dps, it&#8217;s using that cluth cooldown in time, using lifegrip to bring someone back from harm.<br />
Exceptional players are of every flavour. I also have the chance to run with excellent dps and healers.  It&#8217;s really in the care for the small details that one shows his mastery over his class.</p>
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		<title>By: Vosskah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vosskah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, that&#039;s exactly it.  These I call my special missions.  These missions will more often than not lower one&#039;s dps output but I give it to the ones who have shown that they really are comfortable with their class.  It could be kiting Atramedes&#039; fire breath when he&#039;s flying, dealing with the Magmaw adds, kiting the adds on Maloriak, driving on Rhyolith, flying on Alice, etc.  I would never give those missions to people who I feel are just steady.  To take on those special tasks, you need to have mastered the basics and shown that you can take on more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s exactly it.  These I call my special missions.  These missions will more often than not lower one&#8217;s dps output but I give it to the ones who have shown that they really are comfortable with their class.  It could be kiting Atramedes&#8217; fire breath when he&#8217;s flying, dealing with the Magmaw adds, kiting the adds on Maloriak, driving on Rhyolith, flying on Alice, etc.  I would never give those missions to people who I feel are just steady.  To take on those special tasks, you need to have mastered the basics and shown that you can take on more.</p>
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		<title>By: Vosskah</title>
		<link>http://swordboard.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/whats-the-difference-between-a-good-tank-and-an-exceptional-one/#comment-1137</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vosskah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh there you go, not able to walk through the doorframes again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh there you go, not able to walk through the doorframes again.</p>
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		<title>By: TheGrumpyElf</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheGrumpyElf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are so right with the difference between a good and a great tank.  It is those little things that make the difference.  When tanking I can hold threat, know where to hold the boss, know when to move it and to where, know when to use my cooldowns, etc, and I am a serviceable tank.  I&#039;ll get the job done in the ideal situation.

That is one of the reasons I do not tank randoms.  In randoms you need to be excellent.  Not all the time but enough that it could be stressful if you where not.  I prefer the safety of my guild when tanking.  

I might never become a great tank but I can surely spot one from a mile away.  You can tell when you get one in a random almost instantly.  They do things, even small things, that show you they are more then just your meat shield for the day.

I remember the first little thing I saw a tank do that raised an eyebrow and made me realize there is more to tanking then just tanking.  

It was a guild tank I had never run with before and we where walking past some mobs and he stopped there facing them as we walked past and I asked him on vent what he was waiting for.  He said, he was waiting to make sure everyone got by safe.  He said, although it is extremely rare they will get pulled, it was worth making sure.  

As small a thing as that was it has since become a sign for me when doing randoms.   If the tank does that, they are more then just a &quot;good&quot; tank, they are something better.  I&#039;ve also adopted that when I tank.  Whenever passing mobs now, even if it is unlikely they will pull, I always wait until everyone is past before I move.

The little things make a difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right with the difference between a good and a great tank.  It is those little things that make the difference.  When tanking I can hold threat, know where to hold the boss, know when to move it and to where, know when to use my cooldowns, etc, and I am a serviceable tank.  I&#8217;ll get the job done in the ideal situation.</p>
<p>That is one of the reasons I do not tank randoms.  In randoms you need to be excellent.  Not all the time but enough that it could be stressful if you where not.  I prefer the safety of my guild when tanking.  </p>
<p>I might never become a great tank but I can surely spot one from a mile away.  You can tell when you get one in a random almost instantly.  They do things, even small things, that show you they are more then just your meat shield for the day.</p>
<p>I remember the first little thing I saw a tank do that raised an eyebrow and made me realize there is more to tanking then just tanking.  </p>
<p>It was a guild tank I had never run with before and we where walking past some mobs and he stopped there facing them as we walked past and I asked him on vent what he was waiting for.  He said, he was waiting to make sure everyone got by safe.  He said, although it is extremely rare they will get pulled, it was worth making sure.  </p>
<p>As small a thing as that was it has since become a sign for me when doing randoms.   If the tank does that, they are more then just a &#8220;good&#8221; tank, they are something better.  I&#8217;ve also adopted that when I tank.  Whenever passing mobs now, even if it is unlikely they will pull, I always wait until everyone is past before I move.</p>
<p>The little things make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Oorth (@Oorth)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oorth (@Oorth)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funnily enough, this hits the nail on the head about why I don&#039;t tank in pug&#039;s anymore - because I came to realise that I&#039;m not invested in tanking enough to be an exceptional tank. The wierdness which sometimes appears in pugs tends to put me off - fast, especially when I am getting blamed for the fact that some random Hunter decided now was the time to let his pet nom on the boss before the trash was cleared.

Maybe if there were enough folks online in my guild to run a guild dungeon then my attitude to tanking might change.

For now though, I relish the chance to heal random heroics on my Druid. The fact its my tree form which brings the group back from the brink of a wipe is fantastic, I can&#039;t wait for my Paladin to reach maturity and get his holy light in to random five mans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funnily enough, this hits the nail on the head about why I don&#8217;t tank in pug&#8217;s anymore &#8211; because I came to realise that I&#8217;m not invested in tanking enough to be an exceptional tank. The wierdness which sometimes appears in pugs tends to put me off &#8211; fast, especially when I am getting blamed for the fact that some random Hunter decided now was the time to let his pet nom on the boss before the trash was cleared.</p>
<p>Maybe if there were enough folks online in my guild to run a guild dungeon then my attitude to tanking might change.</p>
<p>For now though, I relish the chance to heal random heroics on my Druid. The fact its my tree form which brings the group back from the brink of a wipe is fantastic, I can&#8217;t wait for my Paladin to reach maturity and get his holy light in to random five mans.</p>
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